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So much Szabo, so little space

Paul Szabo, Mississauga South MP and the hardest-working man on Parliament Hill, took some time out to speak to The Mississauga News today before Question Period.

He was forthcoming, funny, and patient with this undereducated reporter. In other words, a brand new Paul Szabo. He seems reinvigorated by his work as chair of the Ethics Committee during this Mulroney-Schreiber money exchange study.

He also told me that he's having trouble getting Brian Mulroney to come to committee to take Schreiber's place in the centre ring of the circus.

"I'm having a little difficulty nailing down Brian Mulroney for Tuesday," said Szabo. "His spokesperson, Luc Lavoie, said okay, but then Luc stepped down, there's a new firm, and now that the Mulroney correspondance is in the public domain, there seems to be some concern about whether they should actually get their copy and study it and be better prepared, so they're balking on Tuesday. It might be Thursday, but there are rumours the house may rise for the Christmas break on Wednesday."

Szabo also said his committee - even though he has had a pencil thrown at him, been called a "son-of-a-b**ch" and a "disgrace," apologized for the public pantsing of Karlheinz Schreiber, made a lion jump through a flaming hoop and ridden a horse around the committee room while standing on his head and wearing sequins - is not, I repeat, NOT a circus.

"That's only tired rhetoric to call us that," he said while juggling chainsaws. "Judge us by our work. We're going to be judged by the public, and those are the people to whom we're accountable."

He also said people who expect the committee to work like a courtroom don't know what they're talking about.

"We're doing a study. If you understand what a study is, you'll understand why people can easily criticize us because we're not delivering justice, we're not examining, we're not like a court of law, we're not a public inquiry, we're doing a study, and the study is on the matters relating to the airbus settlement Brain Mulroney got for $2.1 million."

Here's why I really like Szabo as an MP. He seems to love his job, like really love the job, and not necessarily the political side of it.

"I really am honoured to be a member of parliament, and I have tremendous respect for the House of Commons, and I see this as a wonderful opportunity to showcase Parliament doing good work and showing how good we can do it," he said, as an elephant balanced on one leg behind him.

Szabo said the following when I asked him if chairing a committee a former prime minister is expected to testify in front of is daunting: "Prime Ministers are persons...They're regular people. They laugh, they are sad, they're happy, they're looking forward to things, they're human beings, they need social interaction. I've been here 14 years, this is very interesting, but I wouldn't say I'm overwhelmed."

This post was actually supposed to be about a brief email interview I did with Macleans magazine's Kady O'Malley, who has been liveblogging the committee hearings on her blog.

I asked her, among other things, how she rated Szabo's performance as chair.

She kindly and thoroughly responded:

"I think Szabo is making every effort to keep the high melodrama at committee to a dull roar; he may not always succeed, but it's a noble goal, and he's clearly managed to tuck away his own partisan leanings in order to be as fair as possible. It really is a trial by fire, as far as his relatively new status as chair of this particular committee; in just over a month, he's had to contend with everything from hostile routine motions to the logistics of springing a witness from jail. That's more than most committee chairs will have to deal with during an entire career. He also manages to lay down the law without completely losing his temper, although he does get a bit snappish at times. Not that I blame him.

"Is it a thankless job? Pretty much, but I think he genuinely enjoys it; he is a true devotee of Parliament, and it shows.

"Best person for the job? That's a tough one. There are a few -- not many , but a few - MPs -not on this committee, but in the House - who are more deft at untangling the rules of procedure, and wrangling members into submission, but he's shown himself to be a quick study, and has the benefit of wise advice from people like Derek Lee, who literally wrote the book on the powers of committee to summon witnesses and subpoena documents, not to mention the institutional knowledge within Parliament itself, from the Law Clerk to the staff of this particular committee. Historically, he's never been a kneejerk partisan pit bull, which means he has earned the respect of members of other parties as well, which helps - although when tempers flare, it's easy for that to be forgotten in a fit of pencil-throwing pique."

The next episode of the Karlheinz and Brian show airs tomorrow at 11 a.m.

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The hostile witness essentially sits as the vice chair! David Tilson must be disappointed because Mulroney made 3 times his $111.000 amount leaving his public office open for Uncle Ernie back in 2001-2002.

You don’t suppose it’s a sibling rivalry thing between Ontario’s swing seat’s on ethics and BC’s Kim Campbell?

http://hansardindex.ontla.on.ca/hansardespeaker/37-4/l005-565.html

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Paul Szabo MP:

Dear Craig,

It actually was a refreshing break to receive your call for an interview. As the Chair of the Ethics Committee, my prime responsibility is to run an orderly meeting and set a tone which will promote relevant dialogue by 11 MPs who want media attention.

To keep the confidence and respect of the members, operating in a non-partisan and fair manner is essential. That means I do not do interviews on panels with other members; I do not ask questions and I do not vote unless there is a tie. I stay independent.

There a landmines everywhere and just one mistep can be a disaster. I wish I could tell the real behind the scenes story behind the Schreiber- Mulroney Airbus Scandal. Many aspects of my job as Chair are in private meetings and Canadians would be amazed at the kinds of decisions I needed to make on short notice. This matter is very complex and mental fatigue is the norm. I think that my experience and knowledge of the rules of Parliament have helped me not only to survive but to draw praise from MPs from all Parties. More often than not they say "great job but I wouldn't want to be in your shoes".

For me its a challenge and an opportunity to show how well this job can be done. The next big challenge is December 13th when former Prime Minister Brian Mulroney appears before me for 4 hours from 9am to 1pm. If people are still saying I'm doing a great job after that, I will have achieved my goal of showing that Parliament is not a political circus.

There may be a book in the making here but not until I leave Parliament which I hope is not too soon.

Thanks Craig.

Regards,

Paul Szabo MP

Paul Szabo, Mississauga South MP chair for the Ethics Committee when I heard that, I was not surprised as he has headed other major committees in Ottawa that all the parties have to agree on who will Chair them and you can guess how hard it is fir them to agree on a name they all can trust. For years he has got very little credit for this work. People should not forget that he helped the Friends of the Cawthra Bush, helped us get a large mailing out and even addressed the OMB meeting that David Culham Chair, (alone), which I wrote a book about. "An OMB Hearing that was shockingly confrontational, even towards Paul Szabo M.P., is detailed. Mr. Szabo M.P. came out to support Mississaugans' request for more time to make their case and that the process was badly flawed. "

As he was locked in a strongly contested election within his own party for who the candidate for the next election would be, I even joined to help out and made others of what was going on. Mr. Szabo narrowly won that vote - less than 50 as I recall - so like to think that a grateful FCB played a real role. You see i can be helpful those who help us.

A "circus" in Oattawa?
No, at a circus you have to pay to get in, it is billed as fun for the whole family, enjoyable entertainment not a trip into the sewer of human depravity & hoplessness for the future, have a good time and want to return - still sound like a circus?

Unless we’ve taken a big fall off the turnip wagon, the $54 billion E.I. surplus came off Mississauga’s $66 million a year “Pooling” and “One Time Relocation” expenses retroactive from February 1993 while Mulroney was vacating this public office?

And then there’s the additional $200,000 million Mike Harris had paid out of our property taxes to pay off USA advertising firm Mike Murphy after the 1995 CSR counter costs behind the disappearances of our T-4 slips while our HRDC occupation codes were being dismantled thru Peel Region's Public Private Partnership mistrust. Charles Souza , Tim Peterson , Ken Cole nor did the Green Party bring to our attention these avenues of dismantling our public fundamental Mobility and Legal Rights where undeclared profits and private commissions were sacrificed to sell off our Crown Corporations earmarked for closing?

It’ s more like the poke in the eye with a pointy stick (or sharp pencil) when someone else has to rely on Thyssen Industries of Europe to fix the Isotopes for Canadians thru unaccountable out sourcing! Losing the world wide business was not such a good idea 15 years ago then or now!

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