Good for John Tory for raising questions about the form of the Mixed Member Proportional Representation system that we are being asked to pass judgment on in the referendum question that will be on the provincial ballot Oct. 10.
Yesterday, Tory said he had reservations about a system that could create “second-class MPPs” and allow 39 people nobody actually voted for to potentially sit in the Legislature.
There are obvious benefits to having our government at Queen’s Park more accurately reflect the actual support that parties receive across the province.
But we had better be very careful about how we tinker with the old first-past-the-post system that has generally served us well for a great many years.
If people get so upset now whenever the will of the local community is thwarted and candidates are appointed by party leaders (as in the case of the Liberal candidate in Mississauga-Brampton South in the current election), why would we want to officially enshrine that approach in our so-called democratic system?
Wouldn’t the corollary of “one man, one vote” be, “one MPP, one riding.”
Under the proposed system, the number of seats where MPPs would actually have to go to the public to ask for support would be reduced, so that 90 would be elected in the traditional method. That means fast-growing urban municipalities, such as Mississauga which are already traditionally under-represented in our ‘we’ll catch up with the actual population at a later date’ redistribution system, would be losers again. We would have five seats rather than six.
In a very Canadian approach that would allow you to actually vote twice and spread the glory around, you would mark your ballot for your candidate of choice in your local riding and then again for your party of choice across the province.
The additional 39 seats would be divided up depending on how the party vote was distributed, with the idea being that smaller parties could have a seat in the House although they could never get anyone actually elected in a single riding.
Pardon the broken record but, again, isn’t there something inherently wrong with putting people in government when no one marked a ballot for them?
And when we learn that the parties will fill out the party lists from which the additional MPPs will be chosen, we should get even more nervous. The temptation to mine the cult of celebrity in putting forth instant politicians who have done absolutely nothing to earn their political stripes will be much too tempting for the parties. All the media types who have always fancied themselves as politicians but never had the stomach for the actual work, will be lining up for a freebie.
So your ears perk up when you hear even party leaders disparage the idea.
Tory said yesterday that the MPPs not directly elected, will be “answerable only to the party establishment” and will, in effect, be appointed. If that gives one of the party leaders the jitters, surely we should all be concerned.
In trying to perfect democracy, we’d better be really, really careful not to violate its basic tenets.
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MMP MPP Floor Crossing Scenarios
Here a few of my many concerns regarding MMP.
What happens to proportional representation when a Member of the Legislature crosses the Floor? If the floor crossing Member was elected to a particular Riding; does that Riding now become represented by the Party of that Member’s choice?
Or, does that Riding remain in the hands of the Party of the people’s choice and that Party then assigns one of their floaters to now specifically represent that Riding? If this is the case; will the people of the Riding get to choose who the Party assigns, will the Party Caucus get to choose, or will the local Riding Association be the ones to decide?
Or, does the Party receiving the floor crossing Member have to give up one of their floaters to the Party and the Riding which that Member defected from?
Or, will there be a costly by-election in that Riding; when and if the Governing Party decides it is to their advantage?
Now that I’m done with the simple questions; what happens if a Member of the Legislature, assigned a seat via the Proportional Representation System crosses the floor?
Does the Party receiving the defector have to give up one of their floaters? If so who gets to decide who gets the boot and who gets to stay?
Does the Party losing the Member get to assign another floater? If so who gets to decide who that will be?
Actually, could an assigned Member even technically cross the floor or is their only option to resign? What happens if they resign?
What happens, if over the course of the four year term of Office, more that one Member crosses the floor in more than in one direction?
What if one Riding Elected Member and one MMP Assigned Member from Party ‘A’ cross over to Party ‘B’ and one MMP assigned Member from Party ‘C’ crosses to Party ‘A’? Also take into account that such a scenario is very probable; but it would not conveniently take place all once but rather spread out over time and issues.
There are other possible scenarios as well but they are too complicated for me to even think of a way to describe them in under 2000 words.
Posted by Stephen Wahl | October 3, 2007 12:11 PM
Posted on October 3, 2007 12:11
This is the first clear statement John Tory has made during this campaign.
When I vote and I have for many years, I vote for the Party , then again I may vote for the male or female candidate. On this question I will definitely be voting NO!
Last night's Mississauga Matters Cable 10 two hour election special listening and observing Frank de Jong of the Green Party, I thought " Now he would benefit from the proportional system"
but am still voting NO. Whoever dreamed this up should be given Community Service responsibility like for four years.
Posted by Irene Gabon | September 20, 2007 1:19 PM
Posted on September 20, 2007 13:19
John,
You might also talk to Bob Delaney about this. He discussed some of the potential abuses of this system a few months ago at a meeting I attended. One of these included candidates running in a constituency and also being on the list, in case they lost at the riding level. If that happens, it could be difficult to get rid of some politicians.
Regards,
Keith
Posted by Keith Campbell | September 18, 2007 6:40 PM
Posted on September 18, 2007 18:40